they tax everything that goes through. nobody can dig a tunnel, operate a tunnel, without paying taxes, officially or unofficially. so there is a feeling that hamas is in a sense turned gaza into its own business. and how -- do people know where all of the rocket batteries are? where hamas is? we ourselves are trying to figure out is there hamas in a building where we are, there might be a strike? do people know everything about the locations of hamas installations? >> fwgaza is a small place. 1.5 million, 1.7 million people. everybody here seems to everybody everybody else, know who their family, what their family background is, so people have a good idea of who is hamas and who isn't. on the other hand, they aren't strangers, palestinians, gazans, like everything else, so they have an ability to sort of slip around and not be -- sort of conceal their identity. but people are very aware of sort of everyone's basic inclinations. >> really interesting, anne marie. when you talk to israeli officials like the ambassador, they